美版知乎:印度应该让中国用高铁连接加尔各答和昆明吗

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Should India allow China to connect Kolkata with Kunming with a bullet train high speed railway track?

印度应该让中国用高铁连接加尔各答和昆明吗?

以下是Quora读者的评论:

Ankit Naphade

Definitely not. Its completely wrong project. If our govt approves it then I don't think we could find such foolish govt in world. We are not service provider for rest of the world to develop other countries area. Bangladesh have so much population still they are not developed. We defended Rohingyas, with this project they have clear path for India. Bangladeshi will come like flowing water. Now only condition is worsen because of Bangladeshi people in West Bengal and nearby states. And why connect with China? What we will get? Its not Europe, US or Russia to connect for development. Its Bangladesh and China. What the hell wrong with these people to think of suck project!?

绝对不行。这是个完全错误的计划。如果我们的政府批准了,那么全世界都找不出第二个如此愚蠢的政府了。我们不是促进其他国家地区发展的服务提供者。孟加拉国有这么多人口,他们还不发达。我们捍卫罗兴亚人,通过这个项目,他们有了通往印度的便捷通道。孟加拉人会像潮水一样涌入。现在,由于西孟加拉邦和附近邦的孟加拉人,情况变得更糟。为什么要与中国联通?我们能得到什么?这个计划又不是为了发展而联通欧洲、美国或俄罗斯,相反,只是孟加拉国和中国。这些人怎么会想出这么糟糕的主意!?

 

Soumya Chakraborty, M.Sc Computer Science, Saarland University

It is a good initiative, of course !! Almost every project has to deal with some concerns or the other but according to me this will be a boon for all the countries involved.

Kolkata is located strategically and neither the state government nor the central government is interested to reap on it’s benefits. Kolkata should have been well connected with Kunming, Bangkok and other closely located international cities by now, but it is not. Good international road and rail connections are essential for a developing country like India. The above mentioned project can well be a big step in that direction. From Kunming, cities like Hong Kong and Hanoi too are well accessible. In Europe, all the big cities are well connected by rail, road and air and inter-country buses and trains ply freely without any hindrance.

I understand India’s current political relations are not that smooth with it’s neighbors but that should not be an excuse for stopping an initiative like this. Bengal, throughout the decades have bore witness to numerous project cancellations, industry shutdowns and mindless apprehensions regarding technological influx. It is high time, we shed that narrow political mindset of ours and allow this project to be implemented. Stringent security measurements need to be enforced though and people need to have an open mindset too. I sincerely believe it will be a success at the end, if all pieces fall into their proper places, I am being too optimistic though

当然,这是一个很好的提议!!

几乎每个项目都要解决一些问题,但在我看来,这对所有相关国家来说都是件好事。

加尔各答地处战略要地,邦政府和中央政府都无意从中获利。加尔各答应该尽快与昆明、曼谷和其他地理位置紧密的国际城市建立起良好的联系,但事实并非如此。良好的国际公路和铁路连接对印度这样的发展中国家至关重要。上述项目很可能是朝着这个方向迈出的一大步。从昆明到香港、河内等城市也很方便。在欧洲,所有的大城市都通过铁路、公路、航空和各国间的公共汽车和火车畅通无阻地往来。

我知道印度目前与邻国的政治关系不太好,但这不能成为阻止此类行动的借口。孟加拉,在过去的几十年里见证了无数的项目被取消,工厂被关停和对技术流入的盲目担忧。现在是时候了,我们应该摆脱狭隘的政治思维,让这个项目得以实施。我们需要实施严格的安全措施,人们也需要有一个开放的心态。如果一切顺利就位,我真诚地相信它最终会取得成功,不过我现在还是太乐观了。

 

Prabhanjan Kulkarni, High Speed Rail is the new future.

Lets keep this simple No you dont offer your land,water,air anything to Enemies like china , they dont want to develop , they just want an highway to their dominationwhere political establishment hasnt been in favor of Central Govt and half state is filled by illegal immigrant by neighboring country stop thinking just about Bullet train its just isnt about train to Kolkata why not build train all the way to Mumbai ?
Nothing is free in world there are always some hidden agenda with Chinese.
Think/Imagine if something happens near Pak India border near Guj , Army can carry 1000 soldiers all the way upto nearest Bullet train station and move from there on within hr or so now Imagine 1000 chinese spy/tourist/soliders landing in Kolkata —Of course nothing like this will ever happen but you cant deny the possibility. ‘Karakorum highway’ and ‘Why Siachen is imp to India’ and obviously ‘chickens neck corridor’ , ‘Chinese army road construction in Bhutan’ all these things research them and try to connect the dots I hope you understand.

我们就把这个问题简单化一点吧,不行!你们不能把这些土地、水、空气就这么拱手交到中国手里,他们不想发展,他们只想要一条自己可以控制的公路,那里的政治组织不支持中央政府,半个邦都被邻国的非法移民占满了,别再想着高铁了,为什么不建造到孟买的火车?

世上没有免费的午餐,中国人总是有一些不可告人的目的。

想象如果古吉拉特附近的印巴边境发生了什么事,军队可以运送1000名士兵一路直达最近的高铁车站,在一个小时内从车站出发。现在再想象一下,1000个中国间谍/旅客/士兵抵达加尔各答—当然这样的事不会发生,但你不能否认这种可能性。《喀喇昆仑公路》《为什么锡亚琴对印度很重要》《鸡颈走廊》《中国在不丹修路》所有这些都进行了研究,并试图把它们联系起来,我希望你们能理解。

 

Sudhir Sharma, lived in India

When we are connected with Pakistan and Bangladesh by train route, with both country we have trade relations by road too and china by air and road route for Mansarovar Yatra.

So why we are worried about China, China has huge trade relation with India and thousands of people go to China for trade and tourism. India has Buddha circuit, especially nearby to Kolkata, Bihar has Buddha pilgrimage may give easy access to both country even India can earn on this proposals.

International Tourist may also come to India those on tour at China.

China has dispute with his all border Countries but in last 30–40 years no bullet firing with China.

当我们通过铁路与巴基斯坦和孟加拉国连接时,我们也通过公路与这两个国家建立了贸易关系,通过航空和公路与中国连接。

那么我们为什么要荣华彩票网址担心中国,中国和印度有着密切的贸易往来,成千上万的人去中国进行贸易和旅游。印度有佛陀巡游,特别靠近加尔各答,比哈尔邦有佛陀朝圣,可以方便地进入这两个国家,即使印度可以靠这个提议赚钱。

在中国旅游的外国游客也可以到印度旅游。

中国和所有的交界国家都有争端,但是在过去的30-40年里没有国家和中国发生过冲突。

 

Prem Chandran John, former Consultant, International Health Planning

Why not? This area — West Bengal, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Kunming — is relatively less developed. China can connect this corridor. They have the expertise, the hardware and the experience of 250,000 km High Spped railway system. We can’t. We barely manage with our creaking railway system. The world is becoming a global village, let us be part of it.

While at it, what prevents us from building a bridge between India and Sri Lanka? Only 30 km and the South Koreans can build this quickly. The Chinese are connecting Hong Kong snd Macau.

为什么不呢?这个地区——西孟加拉邦、孟加拉国、缅甸和昆明——相对欠发达。中国可以将这条走廊连接起来。他们拥有25万公里高铁系统累积起来的专业知识、硬件和经验。我们做不到。我们的铁路系统年久失修,只能勉强维持。世界正在变成一个地球村,让我们成为地球村的一部分吧。

到底是什么阻止我们在印度和斯里兰卡之间架起一座桥梁呢?长度只有区区30公里,韩国人可以很快建好。中国人也正在连接香港和澳门。

 

Subhodeep Chatterjee

Why not?

Fools can allow virgin hyperloop to be built between Mumbai and some underserved nearby City, bullet train to another,rrts from delhi to another then why can’t Kolkata be connected with some good transportation. Are these some exclusives that only Mumbai and Delhi should enjoy? Centre will not invest anything in Kolkata,only spending in Mumbai and Delhi,if somebody else is investing in us why are they getting red faced? Nonsense

为什么不呢?

愚蠢的人会允许在孟买和附近一些服务不完善的城市之间修建第一条超级高铁,在新德里和另一个城市之间修建高铁,为什么加尔各答就不能造好的交通工具呢?只有孟买和德里才能享受这种独家待遇吗?印度中央不会在加尔各答进行任何投资,只会在孟买和德里投资,如果其他人在我们这里投资,他们干嘛要脸红?废话。

 

Syamantak Saha, Data Engineer (2000-present)

As a technology entrepreneur, I am always concerned about Chinese products ‘dumped’ into a market, including that in India. This ‘dumping’ of products into a market stops innovation, business, education and of course the realms of public money including tax revenues and RBI measures. Before a developing country like India, gets an infrastructure connection to China, it should first be implemented in import-export rules, job creations, scientific research and development and improved basic infrastructures in India, including telecommunication lines. Otherwise, this project would just open up India to even more ‘dumped’ goods, completely in a ‘black economy’ that would ultimately cause job losses, fiscal and monetary failures and a leading complete dependency of India on China.

作为一名科技企业家,我总是担心中国产品被“倾销”到某个市场,包括印度市场。这种向市场“倾销”产品的行为阻碍了创新、商业、教育,当然还有包括税收和印度储备银行措施在内的公共资金领域。在像印度这样的发展中国家与中国建立基础设施连接之前,应该先对进出口规则、创造就业、科学研究和发展方面进行部署,并改善印度的基础设施,包括电信线路。否则,这个项目只会让印度向更多的“倾销”商品敞开大门,完全陷入“黑色经济”,最终导致失业、财政和货币的损失,并导致印度完全依赖中国。

 

Bharatbhushan Sharma, works at Indian Railways

there is no harm if it is done but in the present scenario it is not going to ha荣华彩票官网ppen.although we are having trade relations with china involving millions but we have no faith in them. where the faith factor is negative such projects are not beneficial for any of the participating nations.

如果这个项目已经完成了,是没有害处的,但在目前的情况下,项目是不会进行的。虽然我们与中国有着贸易关系,但我们对他们没有信心。如果没有信心,这些项目对任何参与国都没有好处。

 

Shubham, Passionate about High Speed Trains

Coming to the teased Kolkata-Kunming bullet train corridor, how many of you have heard Kunming's name? Of those who have heard, how many know where it is located?

If not, then I should tell you that Kunming is the capital of Yunnan province located in south-west China. It is 1500 km away from Kolkata by air. As of now, there is only one airline connecting Kolkata & Kunming directly with about 3100 monthly passengers. Shandong Airlines to cease Delhi-Kunming flight in end March

说到备受争议的加尔各答-昆明高铁走廊,你们中有多少人听说过昆明的名字?听说过的人中,又有多少知道它在什么地方?

如果没有,那么我来告诉你们,昆明是云南省的省会,位于中国西南部。它距离加尔各答1500公里。到目前为止,只有一家航空公司开通了加尔各答至昆明的直飞航班,每月大约有3100名乘客。山东航空将于3月底停飞德里至昆明的航班。

 

Why a bullet train on this route doesn’t make any sense?

The distance between these two cities would be doubled to about 2800 km and even a bullet train would take 14 hours to cover that distance (this is assuming that train wouldn’t be stopped on borders for checking and immigration purposes) which the flight now cover in only 2.5 hours. Even with the check-in, boarding, immigration, baggage claim processes; the total travel time would be under 6 hours.
For any high speed train service to be viable, there must be a large number of daily business/corporate travellers in the route. The teased routepassing from Kolkata - Bangladesh - Myanmar - Kunming has no such claims. In fact, most of the people coming from Bangladesh & Myanmar to India are illegal immigrants.
Myanmar has itself a bunch of problems with failed infrastructure. The capital city boasts of many amenities that are generally available in the rich countries. The only thing that the capital of Myanmar lacks is people. A high speed rail in the country within next 2–3 decades would also suffer the same fate. Burma's bizarre capital: a super-sized slice of post-apocalypse suburbia

为什么这条高铁线路没有任何意义?

这两个城市之间的距离达到了约2800公里,即使是高铁也要花14个小时才能走完这段距离(假设列车不会因为检查和移民手续而停在边境上),而飞机只需要2.5个小时。甚至包括办理登机手续、入境手续、领取行李手续;总旅行时间不会超过6个小时。

高铁服务要持久可行,必须有大量的日常商务/公司旅客。这条经过加尔各答-孟加拉国-缅甸-昆明的路线没有足够的人群。事实上,大多数从孟加拉国和缅甸来到印度的人都是非法移民。

缅甸本身就有很多基础设施失效的问题。首都拥有许多发达国家普遍拥有的便利设施。缅甸首都唯一缺少的就是人。未来二、三十年,高铁也将遭遇同样的命运。缅甸奇异的首都:一个超级大的后世界末日郊区。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/49831.html

Bangladesh is a fast growing economy but it still hasn’t reached the potential to undertake elite infrastructure projects. Bangladesh has a very short railway network and it should first look to revive with broad gauge tracks, electrified route, superfast trains, etc. The fastest train in Bangladesh has the average speed of only 57 kmph. This is Dhaka railway station during Eid.

Most of the business travellers between India and China travel from Delhi/Mumbai to Beijing/Shanghai/Hong Kong(if you consider it China). All these cities lie at the extreme opposite end of their geographical borders (except Delhi). Therefore a passenger train route will be very long and paying customers always want to take the shortest route possible, which is by flight.

China wants the revival of old silk route with huge infrastructure projects all around the globe. (Some call it debt trapping, Eight countries in danger of falling into China’s “debt trap”). India has been a historically important strategic place in the silk route but has refused to fall into Chinese debt traps. These new teasers wouldn’t make much of a difference as India knows its priorities

孟加拉国是一个快速增长的经济体,但它仍然没有达到运营高级基础设施项目的潜力。孟加拉国的铁路网很短,它应该首先考虑复兴宽轨铁路、电气化线路、超高速列车等。孟加拉国最快的列车平均时速只有57公里。这是开斋节期间的达卡火车站。

印度和中国两国间的大多数商务旅行者是从德里和孟买到北京、上海和香港。所有这些城市天各一方(德里除外)。因此,旅客列车的路线将非常长,买票的客户总是希望走尽可能短的路线,也就是搭飞机。

中国希望复兴古老的丝绸之路,在全球范围内建设庞大的基础设施项目。(有人称之为债务陷阱,有8个国家有可能落入中国的“债务陷阱”)。印度一直是丝绸之路历史上重要的战略要地,但一直拒绝落入中国的债务陷阱。这些新的广告不会有太大的影响,印度知道自己应该优先做什么。

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